Saturday, November 24, 2012

Sunday, June 24, 2012

HAVING HERNIATED DISKS. TO HAVE SURGERY OR NOT TO HAVE SURGERY??

WHAT IS THE BEST THING TO DO, IF A  PERSON HAS SEVERAL HERNIATED DISKS IN THIER THORACIC?(All MRI's, are of my disk compressions/herniations/hypertrophy.)



Responses to my question, are below and @ the 4 herniated disks in my back. I did delete the response names, so that I only gave the experience that others can learn by it.


The following are comments only and not intended for medical information or advice, for anyone. So, the main purpose is to show to others  the different opinions and situations that come from other people, in ur situation.
Do not do the metal disc....It is an unnatural material....get a good neurosurgeon, not an orthopoedic....I am someone who had the metal disc with bad results....
Be careful..Be very careful. I have had surgery on a herniated disc. I was told I would be back the work in 2 weeks. That was 4 years and a second surgery ago. I complained after surgery my back was hurting and they wrote it off as normal. Having another MRI less then 30 days after the first surgery show that the disc shattered. Legal issues have been in the process.

But make sure you have the facts. I asked about risks and they laughed, saying what risks. Even look at alternatives, I wish I did.

BTW, I haven't worked in 4 years and can't work the rest of my life. sucks
NO! NO!NO!
Try finding some good alternatives such as chiropractic or physical therapy. Ask for second opinions, you have a right to do it.
I have talked to several doctors.
The best treatment I had was for a prescription for tyleon, 800 mgfor 3 months to reduce the inflammation, then 1 a day. (High octane tyleonol, Rx only)
The idea was, reduce the inflammation then re evaluate.
The pain is all but gone, and no surgery is on the horizon, at least for now.
Who knows what will happen later, but for now, 1 high octane tylenol day.
But then, I'm not you.
However, Noooooo way will undergo any surgery without a 2nd opinion.
Good luck
If the doctor discussed the procedure with you, he must feel it will benefit you to have the surgery done. Without it, you're probably looking at continued misery. It's not going to heal itself.
My brother in law had a herniated disk. It gets to your nerves in your leg because it is from your back. He got surgery on it and is fine now. If it ends up getting worse and painful, Find a doctor that you are confident in for surgery.
Surgery is the last resort if you can find no other relief. If you go to a surgeon, they make their living doing surgery, so would always be their recommendation. As was suggested by another answerer, would be advisable to get another opinion from a doctor of Chiropractic. I have lived with no disc at the L.5, S.1 level for more than 50 years and have only had problems 3 times in that period of time. Each time getting chiropractic treatment and continued working'
See a Chiropractor that specializes in Decompression therapy.
being a teen i dont know much about the body. im doing human biology and probably having surgery is better than having a herniated disc. my dad has had a very bad back for many years having worked on a mine for over 30 years!!

his back is very damaged and has had 3 discs removed and replaced with titanium ones(metal). he said it was the best thing
that has ever happened he said he would be in more excruciating pain if he never got them removed and replaced
personally i think it is a good idea and my dad is the proof that having the surgery can only make you better.
hope it all works out let me know how it goes

First, if they have not had the problem, don't listen to them!!!

I had 2 herniated disks, have had 2 surgeries and am looking at posibly more BUT I am working and doing fine. Here is the order in which you must work and the information you need to get BEFORE you do surgery. I will also recommend a couple of alternatives before surgery that was unavailable to me. My disks were L4-L5 (still slightly bulging) and L5-S1 which has been operated on. Where in your back means a lot too.

1. DO NOT GO TO PHYSICAL THERAPY!!! If the disk is pressing into the nerves to your leg, physical therapy will only put more pressure and cause more damage to the nerves. Just what you don't need is someone twisting and turning your body causing more damage than you already have.

2. Chiropractic only works when the bulge is minor which usually is not the case when a doctor recommends surgery.

3. See both a Neurosurgeon and an Orthopedic surgeon. My surgery was done by a

neuro after a second opinion from and ortho. With the disk pressing against the nerves, he told me that the neuro was better for this. (This ortho was the doctor for the Atlanta Hawks just in case you thought he was scared to operate)

4. Vax-D may be a viable alternative to look into before the surgery. It has helped in cases where the herniation was not major but it is not covered by all insurance.

5. There is also a newer procedure involving epoxy whereby the disk is removed, mixed with a rubber epoxy material and then re-injected into the spinal cord to replace the disk. This has had good results in the lower back but not the upper back. This is what I am looking into right now if my insurance will cover it.

6. Surgery may be the only way to relieve the pressure off of the nerves to return you to a para-normal existance. You will never be the same. I returned to work in 2 1/2 months after the first surgery and 2 weeks after the second surgery. The first time they shaved the disk and the second time a piece of disk fell into the spinal canal. This was a simple removal with not complications.

The bottom of my right foot feels like it is asleep all of the time. If I walk for a longer distance, my right leg starts to show weakness and I start limping more. I can tell when it is going to rain but with medication I can control the pain levels. I am a supervisor in the transportation department and a large Post Office facility. I have my bad days but before the first surgery it took me 10 minutes to find the least painful position on the couch to watch TV. I had to lay down most of the time. Walking was difficult and the herniation was pressing against the S1 root nerve. My first surgery was in 1994 and I have been a Little League baseball coach since1996. I was in and out of work for a couple of years but only because they could not find a job within my restrictions. You will not be able to lift anything over about 30 pounds, you won't be able to walk long distances, you will have pain when it rains, you will feel some mornings like you are 80, but you will be able to be human rather than a vegetable watching TV all of the time. Good luck and tell me how the metal replacement works. I will have to look into this as well.

WOW...just goes to show the differences of opinion.
Now, I have 4 disk herniations in my T8-T11 w/Hypertropy in T10-T11 and must find a way to figure out what to do or if, I have to have surgery at all.
I have tried Physical Therapy 3 or 4 times, bed rest/medications/Epidural Steroid Injections/pressure point injections(novacane steroid),Chiropractic care/Accupuncture, etc.
If, any treatment has helped me or given me more relief...it would be from the Accupuncture treatments that I have been receiving. It has made me feel alive...more than anything.
I must say that I was scared to a point, but if u hurt bad enough u will give in to having it done. IT didn't hurt  and wasn't bad, at all. As a matter of fact, I didn't even feel it. I closed my eyes and relaxed...as much, as I could and let him do the work. All that I can say is...that I limped into his office and walked out. IT was unbelievable, how he found the place of my pain, then applied the Accupuncture to the co-existing area that went with it. I did feel 25% better, after the first treatment, just like he said that I would.
I have gone to see Dr.Ly now, for 3 times and the change in me has almost been miraculas, to say the least. It is just, in the way that I can move more now, is astonishing. I do have to watch out or I will hurt myself, by all of the walking that I have done and smiling, from the instant relief of pain that it has given me. I must admit that the man knows what he is doing!
I still have a way to go, to fully get back to me, but u better believe that I am seeing a big difference and praying that IT will last, but I feel that it will. I am giving it all I got and feel Dr. Ly, is too. Maybe, it is Accupuncture that is it the secret of getting better that I have looked so hard for, the past 5 or 6 yrs., but thank God...I did find him.:D
I am so grateful to The Lord, for giving me Dr. Ly(Traditional Chinese Medicine man) and I am sure that he has helped many a person, from the agonies of pain...that he is doing for me.
I will add his link, just in case there is someone out there looking to find help too.:))

http://www.drly.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=27

God Bless always.:D<3 Karen

Monday, May 7, 2012

Having complications after surgery,because MRI's can't see through the titanium plates because of something called an artifact(a glare that is preventing any visualization)...So, does anyone know what I should do, in this situation for them to be able to see?? How are they going to see, unless they do move the titanium plates? 

Has anyone had their Cervical plates removed because of an Artifact that is blocking the view of vertebrea to be visualized?

HELP...I NEED ANSWERS...b4 I am stuck, in a place that I will never be able to come back to me...or ever be able to take care of myself...again.:((

I have been suffering with whole body pain and numbness on one side of my body. The docs have ruled out MS(I think?),since there is no change in my brain MRI, but all of this started after my C5-C6 spinal diskectomy. They keep saying that all that they can see is an artifact, in which is just another word for a black area that can't be seen through. With the symptoms that I am dealing with, it seems to be that the surgery wasn't a success, more of a failed fusion maybe. I don't know. They did say that I had fused, so if I have why can't they take out the titanium plates that are keeping them from seeing what is actually going on in my neck?
It feels like I have developed some kind of infection around the sugery site maybe. There could be a  serious complication from this and I can't believe that my NS won't LOOK further, instead of relying on the visual of the MRI and NOT looking at it, with his own eye.
I told him to stick a Camera in there to see or do something to make sure that there is no problems, but he won't do anything.
He could remove them for me, but I am just going to find out if there is a problem, from someone else. IF he doesn't care enough to go that extra mile to make sure, then I must find another way to get the answer. It will ahve to be another NS then, for I don't see the original Doc that did my surgery.
If I have to, I will get them out. I have to see what is causing me to stay bedridden, can't stand or sit for 15min. and walking is minimal because my legs give out on me.It is like my left knee just gives way and I have feel flat on my bottom. YOWCH!

THIS IMAGE SHOWS SOMETHING POKING INTO MY SPINAL CORD. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE...IT IS THE SCREWS, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A SCREW...THAT WAS PLACED INTO AN OPENING(vertebrea) AND PUT RIGHT ON TOP OF A NERVE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE SEEN HERE IN THIS VIEW, BUT IT GIVES REASON TO SUSPECT THAT IT COULD BE HAPPEING, DUE TO ALL OF THE SYMPTOMS THAT CORRELATE TO A C5 OR C6 MEDIAN NERVE COMPRESSION.
THE MEDIAN NERVE RUNS THROUGH THE NECK AND DOWN THROUGH UR ARMS. IT IS ALSO, IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE ULNAR NERVE THAT ALSO, GOES THROUGH UR ELBOW.
I HAVE FELT LIKE MY ELBOW IS BEING CONTINUOUSLY STRUCK WITH A HAMMER. IT IS VERY PAINFUL, WHEN U CAN'T GET THAT TO STOP...AFTER, A WHILE.
THEREFORE, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT IT COULD VERY WELL BE...MY NECK SURGERY THAT HAS CAUSED EVERY BIT OF THIS TO HAPPEN TO ME...AND THE ONE WHO DID MY SURGERY, WON'T LOOK ANY FURTHER TO SEE, IF IT IS.
I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CARPEL TUNNEL IN EACH WRIST, BUT IT COULD JUST BE THE COMPRESSION OF THE MEDIAN OR ULNAR NERVE. EVERYTHING JUST MAKES SENSE THAT IT IS THE NERVE BEING COMPRESSED IN MY NECK!!!



I have been this way going on 6 yrs. and this is just plan ridiculas. I don't understand how a doctor can take an oath to uphold, if he won't do what needs to be done to find the answer to why I am suffering so badly. I do have a few good days, but they are so far and few between. I have missed so much because of being stuck in bed and just looking outside, it hurts. I have always been an outdoors person...fishing,camping,running with my kids, but now I can't walk or stand for 15 min. that is ridiculas. There has to be a reason. The neck makes perfectly good sense. It is where the median and the ulnar nerve run.I know that in between the median and ular is the Brachial Artery and am wondering if that is what has also made my chest to hurt, have shortness of breath because when I have an episode the whole left side of my body goes completely numb, even my face. I am grasping here, but I think the plates need to come out, but I need to know if it is possible or has anyone experienced this before.
Can they take them out without any repurcusions and cause even more pain. I mean, I don't want this to wind up severing my spinal cord or cause me to lose the use of my arms/legs. This is a very serious issue and I can't seem to get my NS to take me seriously. I am beginning to wonder if he doesn't know more than he is saying. I am not a judgemental person and I am a very patient one, but he mentioned to me right after the surgery,in which I might add he was not suppose to do my surgery, another NS I had been seeing the whole time was suppose to do it. He did ask me if this NS could set in, but not do 90% of my surgery like I was told by his nurse.
My issue is that I am too young to have lost what I have and I can't get that back, but I have a lot of good long years ahead of me. I am only 46, just turned. I just want to live without the threat of severe pain and agony. I wish I could add a pic., for I have some of my MRI's that show a screw that has twisted right up next to the other one. (After, veiwing this page, I noticed that the image that I am talking @ is at the bottom of this page. It is the view that I was talking @ and u can see where they are twisted. The last time that I went in to see my NS, there was that page that told me that my plates "had moved", but HOW can the NS, just ignore that???
Yes, I only have two screws in there with some butterfly looking piece holding it together. I should be able to get that out and they see what is behind there....killing me. I think.
If anyone can shed me some light on this, it would be greatly appreciated. I just want to play my guitar and sing again, like I used to. I did work professionally in Nashville for 3 yrs.,but if I don't get this straight, I will never be able to play it again. HELP, Can I take these plates out. I just want to see what is behind there. I was told by a friend of mine,who is a doc,Chiro, that I had a screw that was placed in an opening and put right on top of a nerve, but he lost the xray in a move and has passed since then. I am lost and just need help. I sure hope there is someone out there who can tell me of what, I should do. Thanks ever so much.:)))<3 Karen
  • 8 months ago
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I have had 14 MRI's since '06 and they haven't been able to see through any of them, because of the artifact(a glare preventing to see through it). They only can see a black hole and they call it an Artifact. I looked it up and it just means that it is like a glare that a camera gives off...sort of, but I am in desperation here. I have to see what is going on in there, behind those plates because nothing else is explaining the debilitatin pain I suffer each and every day.
I am suffering so much and they can't find the cause of all of it,, because they can't see behind the glare of the artifact. So, I definitely want them to take them out, so I can FIND the answer to all of this.
I really believe that this is where my problem lies. It has to be coming from somewhere and this is got to be it. It has to be there, they have looked everywhere else. The NS that did my surgery seems to be giving me the run around and I really hate to say that, but he mention on the very first visit, after the surgery that the pain in my right bi-cep...was in fact, due to my C5. So, why then has he dropped me as a patient and not trying to find the answer to where the pain is originating from. I truly believe it is something really wrong in my neck...I can feel it!!
I used to have so much more good motion, but now...every movement is so very painful. There could be a screw that is pressing on a nerve that is causing ALL of this, but now I don't know what to do, but to pray that someone will help me get back to me.:P
I feel so broken and I can't pull, push, reach or bend..I can't do much of anything now. If, I get a good day and can walk..I hurt myself and pay for it...for a long time.
While, in the NS's room waiting on him last visit, I saw a piece of paper on the desk that had my name on it and I was ever so curious to what it said..@ me, but tried to refrain from reading it. But, as I waited in that room...in which, feels like forever...I did read it and this is what it said, "Mrs. Elmore comes in today, where she claims the last time she was here her plates moved, they had." OKAy...my plates in my neck have moved???...that is NOT good. IT could very well be, why I am losing the use of my arms and legs, because there is some impingement somewhere. 
I wish, I would've taken a pic of that important piece of paper that stated a change in my surgery, but I wasn't thinking. My hubby said that I should have just taken it, but unfortunately, I didn't do either.
There is a reason why my body is in total agony...and as God is my witness, I will get to the bottom of it..."Lord Willing"...<3
8 months ago


Monday, April 30, 2012

Post @ how disks break down from the fluid from a herniated disk in the neck




THIS IS A POST THAT I FOUND....THAT REALLY SOUNDS A LOT LIKE WHAT, I AM GOING THROUGH...



I had similar issues about 3-4 years ago that the doctors thought was either a pinched nerve or carpel tunnel. I was working-out and playing more sports at the time, so that sort of masked the idea that it could be related to sax playing. What it ended up being was a herniated disc in my neck, which wasn't caused by - but was certainly made worse by, hanging a sax from my neck.

This problem started out minor and became worse. It starts out as a bulging or compressed disc, where the soft tissue starts to push out a little and comes in contact with the nerve roots that go to your neck, shoulders, arms, and hands. Eventually, the disc breaks down and fluid leaches out from inside (herniated) and causes an even greater interuption of the nerve roots. Picture a jelly donut that gets compressed until the stuff inside comes out.

Anyway - I don't want to alarm you, but I did want to mention this as a possibility because when I look up in the air, after about 10-15 seconds my arm is tingling like crazy (even the top part of my arm)  This was exactly the types of tests my doctor and physical therapist did which made them suspect it was a herniated disc. Then I had an MRI which confirmed it. If the doctors can diagnose this when the disc is still just bulging, then there are things they can do to prevent it from advancing to herniated (mostly physical therapy)

The good news is - even though mine was labelled as "catestrophic" in severity, I did not need surgery. I just went to physical therapy to focus on core strength - and yes - drink lots of water! Also - inversion therapy (where you hang upside down) helps tremendously.

http://www.studiospace.com/rcsq/


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Hey, I got the same issues. Started about 2-3 months ago and it's robbing my sleep. Doctor? Not yet. I'm going for a body massage first then see what happens. Couple of things. My wife had surgery for carpel tunnel and it did help, but just.

For me, I had the scare of my life 3 years ago and I'm gun shy about things wrong with my body.
Spent a year getting tested by orthopedic doctors for pain in my arm running up to my shoulder and neck. All 5 Dr's said I needed my 6 & 7 disk replaced. I've never been in a hospital, let along cut. So, I was just about to make my appointment to get cut when a Dr friend suggested one more doctor, but this time it was a neurologist dr., someone who deals with nerve issues. Well he looks at my xrays & mri's and tells me that this issue is not my vertebrae's but a nerve in my elbow going through my elbow carpel. He gave me some new workouts and told me that if it doesn't clear up in a few months he would do some minor surgery on my elbow in his office. It cleared up.
Sorry for the long of it, but sharing this type of info could save some pain. This will be the DR I see if my hand & fingers numbness and pain don't stop.
I will repost after my massage.
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I'm dealing with something very similar in my left shoulder/arm for a few weeks. The tingling pain was bad enough that I thought I might have dislocated my shoulder- it seemed to me to radiate from there. And my hand felt weak- I couldn't grip stuff very strongly. I finally broke down and threw some cash at an MD yesterday- he thinks it's a pinched nerve in my neck. Ice helps a lot-- I was mistakenly using a heating pad before. Now less than 24 hours after seeing the MD and using ice every hour or so and I feel about 40% better. I was told I need to do mild stretches as well.

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Quote Originally Posted by JazzedView Post
I finally broke down and threw some cash at an MD yesterday- he thinks it's a pinched nerve in my neck.
If this a good MD it's worth taking your horn along showing him what he actually happens when you play.

A normal saxophone strap can put pressure on your spin and on the arteries at the side of your neck.
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I'm sitting in the waiting room of a doctor's office right now as I'm writting this waiting to be tested for thoracic outlet syndrome. My entire left arm goes numb all the time. Even while I'm just sitting watching TV. It wakes me up at night, the arm goes so dead numb it wakes me up. Doesn't matter what position I sleep in. 6 months ago I got a huge blood clot from my shoulder down to my elbow. Been on coumadin since then and the numbness is better, not as severe.

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Steve,
I've had the exact same problem over the past few years. I've regularly seen a chiropractor for many years and this does seem to help with the problem. I started getting the same type of pain down into my feet recently as well, so I had full spinal X-Rays taken in order to find out if there was nerve impingement happening in the little holes the the nerves come out of on the sides of the spine (I forget the name of them). I was told that there was nothing really major wrong, probably just some nerves that are inflamed at the spine.

Nerve Inflammation can be controlled by several things- ice, anti-inflammatory drugs (Naproxin, Ibuprophin), and one of the best ways: an anti-inflammatory diet. (http://nutrition.about.com/od/dietsf...flamfood_2.htm)

If you are like most saxophonists then there is probably also some amount of carpal tunnel irritation happening with you as well. Besides Otto's very good stretches, I have found that I get a lot of relief from Graston soft tissue treatment from my chiropractor (http://davidvaldez.blogspot.com/2009...endonitis.html).

If your pain is also in your shoulder then the issue is most likely, as your doctor said, a nerve impingement in your neck. Controlling the inflammation as much as you can would definitely help, but another thing that might help would be THAI MASSAGE. I've gotten regular deep tissue massages for many years, but after discovering Thai massage I'll never do anything else. They say that Thai massage is like Yoga for the lazy man, they stretch you in ways that you would never do on your own. Thai massage can really open up bound up joints like nothing else. When your neck muscles get locked up from playing saxophone or from using the computer they will affect the nerves that go down your shoulder and into your arm and hand. Thai massage can do wonders.

Good luck Neff. I feel your pain, literally.
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Well, I am going to the orthopedic surgeon on Monday. I've tried to go to others before, but they always want me to wait for hours and I don't have hours. Hopefully this time will be different. I hate the thought of elbow and wrist surgery, but last weekend the pain in my left wrist was so bad I couldn't use my left hand at all. It swelled up too for the first time. I'm hoping surgery will mean I can get back to playing. Hopefully you'll find a different fix for your problem Steve!

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Well, they scheduled my tests for the wrong day so I had to reschedule for Feb 25th so I'm still waiting. The tingling and numbness in my hands isn't happening as much but now I have pain in the upper middle of my back and when I sit at the computer and type I get the tingling there in my back where my spinal cord is. When I touch that area there is a bump there that feels sore. My wife looked at it ( she's a nurse) and she thought it looked like there was swelling there. I guess we'll wait until the 25th and see what happens then. The arm still goes numb and tingles when I look up at about 25 seconds so I'm pretty sure it's a pinched nerve.
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Oh, no, you mean it's spreading? I don't think that you are old enough to have all of these problems! Be sure and have your wife keep an eye on any spreading swelling. Like they say in the commercial, consult a physician if you have a swelling that lasts for more than four hours:-)! At least an MRI will give you a good idea of what is going on. Then come the tough choices on what to do about it. I've been resisting back, elbow, and wrist surgery for several years.....I'm thinking of throwing in the towel on two out of three, depending on what the surgeon tells me. That's assuming I don't walk out tomorrow because he kept me waiting too long. I hate doctor's offices because they don't know what the word "appointment" means! Good luck Neffmeister!
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I had tingling and numbness in two fingers of my left hand. A chiropractor friend of mine grabbed my forearm and the tingling/numbness went away. He said it was a twisted nerve, that it would go away in time. He was correct, but it took a great deal of time. A physical therapist probably could "fix" that and your back in a shorter period of time.

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Well, the orthopedic surgeon is sending me for an MRI and X-rays on my elbow and to the neurologist for some nerve testing of my wrist and hand. Hopefully they will be able to figure it out within my lifetime!

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I ended up having numbness in my left hand that progressed to my elbow. Then it moved to my right elbow and hand as well. Eventually the numbness became so bad that I could not lie down to sleep because my arms would go numb from the shoulder down (had to sleep sitting up). I went to see a chiropractor and got adjusted every few days for the first three weeks. My problem ended up being atrophy of the trapezius muscles that allowed some of the cervical and thoracic vertebrae to shift forward and down, pinching the nerves. I put myself on an exercise regimen to strengthen my entire body and I became 80% better within six to eight months. The last 20% came hard, but I overcame it. If I were you, I would talk to my chiropractor and doctor about exercises you could do to avoid surgery, if possible. If surgery is your only hope, then do it. If you have other alternatives, try those first. Exercise can do wonders, if you are willing. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Still waiting for my Gemini Harness but I've made a decision never to get another massage. A day after I had it my sciatic nerve started acting up and now I've pain you would not believe. I guess I'll go to the neurosurgical guy and ask about this and the original problem of numbness and needles and pins in my left hand fingers. Old sucks!


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Advise on drinking water: By the time you are " thirsty " you are probably already dehydrated. It's surprising how many people don't like to drink water, but will drink everything else, like coffee, soda, booze...all of them dehydrate. Most of us do not drink even near the amount of water our bodies ( and brains ) require. Drink it a sip at a time, spread out your intake. If you just gulp down a whole glass or bottle of water, you will soon excrete most of it. I train fighters who, against my advice, will sauna and drink diuretics to lose those few pounds on water weight before weigh in. I have them use the drinking method above to replenish. Not drinking enough water can effect your energy, concentration and causes a whole list of physical problems. It's important to sax players to drink water when you are playing...especially if you drink on your gigs. Booze dehydrates!
I carry several bottles of water with me all the time. The body requires about eight, 8oz glasses of water a day. You will have more energy and will stay looking younger, as water hydrates the skin.
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Regarding water- yes it is true most people don't consume enough. I have had issues with kidney stones, so I try to increase my intake as much as possible. My Nephrologist suggests that one quick way to know if you are consuming enough is that the urine should be nearly clear. If it is yellow or darker, you are not getting enough water.

For arm (or other pain) that is associated with playing. I would never take it lightly. One would not want to risk losing the ability to play. There are clinics which deal specifically with musician issues, such as

http://www.oehc.uchc.edu/clinicallin...iansclinic.asp

They can do wonders

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I believe you do have to be v careful of any kind of tingling. Good luck Nefertiti.
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Well, my elbow MRI showed a tear in my ulnar collateral ligament. That might help explain my theory that my ulnar bone is misaligned and splaying outward, putting pressure on my wrist ligament and pinching my median nerve. I was supposed to have the nerve tests done this week, but the neurologist made me wait over my limit(one hour) so I left. I have an appointment with another neurologist next friday........

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Well spent a good hour with my neurologist last week to address my numbness and pain in my left hand. He did not think it was due to my neck strap. His guess is that in Dec & Jan we had a lot of snow which I used the snowblower and shovel for days and aggrevated the nerves in my left arm, mainly the wrist area. He put me on a steroid pack for a week. Seems to be getting much better. However, the same day my Gemini shoulder harness came so it's been a week. I'll never go back to the neck strap. It took me about 10 minutes to get it adjusted and I practiced for 2 hours like never before. Amazing how much I was wiggling and taking breaking because of the neck pressure. So, I guess it's good news for me, for now anyway. I wonder what's next? Another snow storm!
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I met with a neurologist today. He did a bunch of tests and thinks it's my neck. He's gonna send me to get a MRI to see whats going on in there. He also thought it would be a good idea to get one of my head to make sure it isn't related to another tumor or something. Better safe than sorry! The numbness and tingling has gone away for the last few weeks but now it is replaced with pain. It's in my neck, shoulder and arm..............
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Acupuncture is helping me - my excruciating pain is down by about 90% after 3 sessions. I was very skeptical but had several friends that said acupuncture worked for them. I'm now using a Gemini harness for tenor too, switching to a high stand sometimes. I should point out that my issues started after doing some heavy landscaping work and spending a lot of time at a piano.
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I just got back from the neurologist's office. Testing showed I have severe carpel tunnel in both wrists. He said I was too far gone for acupuncture(he does that too). I was afraid that waiting all these years meant severe permanent nerve damage and he confirmed that. To any of you out there that just started having problems, please don't be careless and keep putting it off like I did.

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Quote Originally Posted by NefertitiView Post
I met with a neurologist today. He did a bunch of tests and thinks it's my neck. He's gonna send me to get a MRI to see whats going on in there. He also thought it would be a good idea to get one of my head to make sure it isn't related to another tumor or something. Better safe than sorry! The numbness and tingling has gone away for the last few weeks but now it is replaced with pain. It's in my neck, shoulder and arm..............
Hi Nefertiti
I've only just seen this thread now. MRI is the only way to go. Have to rule out cervical herniated disc or stenosis of the nerve root canal.

Hope you will soon know the problem and then be able to deal with it accordingly!
Best wishes
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Quote Originally Posted by Pete ThomasView Post
Hope you can get it sorted. If it's your neck, then I would really recommend you look into the cebulla neckstrap as it keeps all pressure off the spine.
Thanks Pete. I'll check that out. I had a really hard time playing yesterday. My neck, upper back and shoulder were killing me. My MRI is on the 12th so we'll see what they say. I'd love to get this thing resolved.

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By the way I started doing these McKenzie neck exercises. They have taken away alot of the pain but now it seems like the tingling and numbness is even worse. The McKenzie exercises worked great for my lower back years ago also.

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Well, depends on where the pinched nerve is. Mine are in my spine due to four bulging discs. I use an inversion table several times a day, which has been a God send for me. Thanks to it I don't normally need to walk with a cane anymore. If it's in your neck or shoulder, massage and chiropractic adjustments can be helpful.
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My carpal tunnel solution seems to be working on my left hand. I just received the ones for my right hand in the mail today. The orthopedic surgeon told me today that I should play wait and see before resorting to surgery.
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You must be so frustrated by now Steve, and the insurance angle really just seems wrong. Good luck with the McKenzie exercises and any other suggestions you get. (I wish I had one for you.)



U know, after reading this and seeing how my symptoms really compare to someone that is having trouble with a herniated disk, in their neck. IT is unbelievable how I have FELT AND THOUGHT that this has been MOST of my problem ALL along! My Chiro friend was right, I believe. He said that I had a screw that was placed right on top of a nerve....in my neck and he also said that if, I didn't get it out...that I could/would lose the use of my arms and legs.:(*(
THEY can't SEE what is going on in MY NECK, because I have titanium plates in there, from my surgery of the C5-C6spinal diskectomy.
HOW AM I GOING TO GET THIS THOROUGHLY SEEN, IF I HAVE THE TITANIUM PLATES IN THERE COVERING IT UP? They will have to come out or a Camera put in to really get a visual of what is going on IN THERE!!
God Bless always...:)))<3 Karen

Friday, April 13, 2012

Post @ muscle twitching and jerking limbs

I POSTED THIS TRYING TO FIND AN ANSWER....STILL, TO THIS HORRIFIC SITUATION THAT I HAVE BEEN PUT IN.
I KNOW, THERE ARE MANY OF US...OUT THERE SUFFERING AND ALL WE WANT...IS JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS, THAT IS TAKING THE LIFE RIGHT OUT FROM UNDER US.
I BELIEVE THIS SUMS UP A LOT @ ME, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH MORE THAT I DIDN'T COVER HERE.

I WANTED TO ADD THAT I HAVE LOST SO MUCH TIME WITH MY FAMILY AND LOVED ONES...DUE TO THIS AGONIZING PLAGUE THAT HAS ME, BUT I PRAY THAT ONE DAY, I WILL BE PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AND OUT OF THIS MISERY.:((

I really am posting this to all of u, but GTO67 caught my attention when they mentioned the part where the limbs twitch and jerk...and when everyone else seems to be still, when I seem to have to twitch or jerk. I have also been asked, if I knew that my head bobbled some. I really believe I do have neurological deficits, somewhere in my Central Nervous system or something. THIS is not anxiety...I don't believe it. I have never been anxious or nervous. I have always been patient and easy going, until after I had surgery on my neck and was hit by a nerve block(ESI) of my Thoracic.

"Allright, Im caught in this loop of muscle jerking and twitching. It goes like this: If im moving around (Walking, moving my body, ETC) ill get limb jerks, my arm, leg, head, whatever im moving, will move hard, or off, or wobbily. And when im sitting my muscles will twitch and my legs and arms and feet and all limbs will jerk suddenly at random (only one jerk, not liek a seizure or constant jerking, just once). Can anxiety cause this? Ive been trying to ignore this but thats not stoping it. Then I tell mself that it must be something else because it happens when I dont worry. I also cannot stop figgeting and moving around. Ill notice other people are sitting quietly and ill be twitching or touching myself, i cannot sit still at all. Does anyone know anything about this?"

When I copied what u said to quote it, some other words popped up that I didn't see in ur post or in any of the others for that matter, but some were things that I have experienced...like a Head injury(I did experience a head injury, in a car accident where I hit my head on the roof of the car and had a bad headache 10-15min. afterward) I did eventually have to have a C5-C6 spinal diskectomy because my head was forced in a downward positon. I also do not have ANY curve in my Cervical vertebrea. I was also diagnosted as having a Chiari Malformation of 6.5mm.(It is said that a person experiences neurological defecits over 5.5mm) I am really wondering @ this one, because my CM is 6.5, which makes me a candidate for neurological deficits. They changed this to Tonsilar Ectopia, so I don't know much @ it, but looking it up as we speak.

Head and face reconstruction( I didn't have reconstruction of the face persay, but they had to shave my hair...up to the top of my temples for another surgery that I had back years ago, a bone spur removal from left jaw) It was back 24 years ago and thought maybe, I had scar tissue or adheshions somewhere in there, from that surgery.
THIS WAS A YEAR AFTER THE CAR ACCIDENT AND I FELT GREAT. THIS IS MY HUBBY GARY ELMORE AND MY OLDEST SON SHANE, WHO WAS ONLY 3 1/2 HERE.



I have so many questions that it seems impossible to get the answer, but THIS is not anxiety...I don't believe it. I might be seeming anxious now, but that is because I just want answers and am fed-up being sick and being stuck in my bedroom...in BED. I am sooo sick and tired of being SICK!!

I have so many questions...Why does my face stay numb all day and the back of my neck stay tight and tense like a vice-grip is holding me? Why do I feel like my face is being pulled downward? Why do I have cramps/spasms in my neck?Why does the top of my head still hurt and sometimes, I can't even touch the top of my head? Why does my hair even feel like it hurts? Why does it feel like someone is pressing their thumb into my temples? I experience so many head pains and on my temporal region, it actually feels like someone is pressing inward on my head and sometimes, I will get totally numb on the left side of my face.
I must say that I have never been an anxious or nervous person. I have always been patient and easy going, that is until here recently from all of the stress from the pain, cramping, burning, aching and all of the agony that my body is dealing with. I still am a very patint lay-back person...and just don't think anxiety is the answer.  I have never experienced PAIN like this in my life...only after, the surgery on my neck did I start going downhill. Then, trying to relieve the pain...was I hit by a nerve block(ESI) of my Thoracic...so, there is a legitimate answer, I just can't give up.

After, I had that surgery on my neck I had to take medication that I never had to take, in my life. Before, the surgery I never even took anything for a headache hardly,never had to...much less these strong medications that the Docs have put me on and I do feel that IT, could be the culprit of most of my tremors and spasms and the toxic feeling that I experience. I believe medications, could be most of our problems, but what is a person to do that is in utter "Heck" from all of the agony their body is dealing with and in? It seems like the Docs just keep giving it to me, but I just want to FLUSH it all. I wish, I never had to take another pill!!
Also, due to ALL of the pain that I was experiencing after sugery, I was told that I needed to receive nerve blocks...that it, would relieve this pain. yah...yah...yah...NO, IT is a very dangerous procedure. I went ahead and did the series of 3 Epidural Steroid Injections, due to me not being able to even work or get anything done....and I was hit by a nerve block(ESI) of my Thoracic. I experienced what was called a "wet tap"..and it actually felt like a bolt of lightening had struck me, while I was just laying there and wonder if they hit my spinal cord or something.
I want to say that I had been a healthy person my whole life, until after my surgery. I know...I have NEVER felt so bad in my life...and sometimes, the pain can be unbearable. I just want to get well.
I have so many symptoms that it feels like I could even be dying sometimes, but I don't want to seem dramatic, but this IS a very dramatic situation here...It is BAD. I hurt so much and just want to feel somewhat like the person, I used to know.:(
I felt great b4 I had that surgery and only had a small sleeping problem, but it even makes me wonder that IF it all started, when I hit my head on the roof of that car...But I went right back into working 60+ hrs. a week, like nothing was wrong. The only thing that happened was that 8 years later, I got to where I couldn't find a comfortable place to rest my head, when I tried to sleep at night. I would move so many times that even my hubby would ask me, "Can't u find a good place to rest ur head?"
THERE IS A VERY NOTICABLE PLACE ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WHERE I HIT THE ROOF OF THE CAR, IN THE ACCIDENT.  I HAVE WONDERED WHY IT IS WHITE IN COLOR, TO WHERE THE OTHER PLACES AROUND IT, ARE DARK.(??)
U CAN ALSO SEE THE CHIARI MALFORMATION(OR TONSILAR ECTOPIA)-6.5MM
I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED AS HAVING A VENOUS ANOMALLY IN MY LEFT CEREBULLAR HEMISPHERE WITH AN "EMPTY SELLA", AS WELL.

It feels like something is terribly wrong in my body, but the NS won't look any further, because he can't see behind the titanium plates. He wouldn't do further testing to definitely rule out that it is the surgery or not that he did on my neck...so, I am still trying to find an answer...6 yrs later.
I appreciate anyone who responds. I need someone to give me a direction or someone who can give me some answers...OR HOPE EVEN.
I am sorry that this is so put-together and messy, but my mind is having trouble concentrating or focusing. I experience so much hormonal imbalance, because I was diagnosed having Addison's disease, to which does make a person have memory loss, emotional distress, incognitive moments and an array of other symptoms, but there is something else going on. My Endocrinologist even told me that I did have something else occuring with me and has sent me to a hand-picked Neurologist to see what he can find.
I really hate that my memory is affected. It really is hard, not finding it stored...where it suppose to be. It is giving me such a hard time to find the right words or I say the wrong things. There has been times where I will say thank u and really mean to say ur welcome. I will write words backward...and not just once or twice..I will do it over and over. I really have to concentrate to do what I want to do. My body seems not to function properly. It is like I have a short circuit somewhere.
If there are any of u out there, who read this....that are searching for answers like me...there is one thing that I can say....the main thing is to FIND the right Doc to treat u. Who do we see? Well, I truly believe that I do have a Central Nervous System problem, but where did my problem arise from? Is it from one of my surgeries, the nerve block or some Autoimmune disease other than the Addison's.
I hope...all of u have found ur answers and are on the road to recovery.
Take care and God Bless always.:))<3 Karen
Ps. I will keep watch here and update this information, for I feel I am on the right track and I'm getting closer to finding my answer....so, don't give up looking for urs, as well.:)

Saturday, February 25, 2012

THINK AGAIN...(revised version of "My daily life in pain")

LIFE IS SO FUNNY...JUST WHEN, U THINK U GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT, THEN WHAM!...A WHOLE NEW SET OF RULES AND REGULATIONS. So...THINK AGAIN.
WHAT PATH DO I CHOSE TO TAKE? DO I TAKE THE ONE LESS TRAVELED OR DO I CHOSE TO FOLLOW OTHERS AND MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT THEY CHOSE TO MAKE?
U CAN ONLY LIVE AND LEARN, IN THE PROCESS OF LIFE. HECK, MOST OF US HAVE LEARNED BY WATCHING OTHERS AND BY SEEING, THEIR ACTIONS OR RE-ACTIONS...WE CHOSE TO FOLLOW THAT BEHAVIOR OR SAY TO OURSELVES, "THAT IS NOT HOW, I WOULD HANDLE THAT SITUATION, BUT CAN U ACTUALLY, KNOW FOR SURE HOW U WILL REACT, IN A SITUATION...IF, U HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN, IN THAT SITUATION? only u know the answer to that. 

"LIFE IS WHAT U MAKE IT...AND IT IS UR CHOICE, TO MAKE IT THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. HAVE FAITH, IN URSELF...GIVE THAT FAITH TO OTHERS, LIKE A RAY OF SUNSHINE, FROM GOD." Karen Elmore



                                     GOD IS EVERYWHERE...U CAN'T MISS HIM..:D


 





THIS IS A REVISED POST, THAT I MADE RECENTLY TO SOMEONE ONLINE. WHO, BY THE WAY HAS ALSO, BEEN HAVINING SOME OF THE SAME SYMPTOMS THAT I HAVE.
FOE A LONG TIME, I HAVE FELT THIS WAY. NOW, IT IS FAR WORSE...

SO,  I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THIS WITH U GUYS...SO, U CAN GET A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF MY EVERYDAY LIFE.
I KNOW, IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND, FOR SOME OF U, BUT IT SEEMS, THE PEOPLE THAT U WANT TO UNDERSTAND, JUST DON'T GET IT I MEAN, THEY ARE CONSIDERATE AND LOVING, BUT I THINK, THEY ARE JUST TIRED OF HEARING @ IT.
AS I LOOKED THROUGH WHAT I HAD WRITTEN...I WAS REMINDED OF WHAT U GUYS MUST THINK. I KNOW, IT IS HARD TO TAKE IN...I CAN'T FATHOM IT SOMETIMES, MYSELF.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY, IS THAT I MEAN, IT SOUNDS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY BE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND HAVING SO MANY SYMPTOMS, BUT EVERYTHING THAT I SAY...IS REAL AND SADLY, IT IS TRUE.
IT IS SICKENING TO ME, JUST TO READ IT, BECAUSE I AM REMINDED OF HOW MY BROKEN LIFE MUST SEEM...TO U.
I DO KNOW, I AM BLESSED.  YES, I FEEL TRULY BLESSED, BECAUSE MY LIFE HAS BEEN PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE, IN A SENSE. I UNDERSTAND HOW it is...THAT I SHOULD LIVE MY LIFE NOW...AND AM MOTIVATED MORE TO DO SO NOW THAT I HAVE A DIAGNOSIS.
I DON'T TAKE A SINGLE DAY FOR GRANTED NOW.:D 
I GIVE ALL THE CREDIT, TO THE LORD AND THANK HIM, FOR GETTING ME TO WHERE I AM NOW...HAPPY ON THE INSIDE..

Friday, January 13, 2012

Letter I wrote to a DOC, trying to find some answers on where to go to find an answer

There has to be an answer somewhere...and u don't get anywhere, IF u don't ask...u know?:)<3 K


I have been suffering for over 5 years, but the last 3 have been utter hell on Earth. I have so many symptoms, but I have been to several Neurlogists and a couple of Neurosurgens and have dx's, but I am not getting better and feel there is some other underlying cause that they are just not finding and need help bad discovering what this is.
Okay, I have had a couple of things happen to me, in the past that I feel could be responsible and I will list them first, then list what symptoms that are the worst and that scare me. I have had a surgery on my left jaw bone, removed a bone spur(my jaw would lock, so the doc, a Maxillofacial surgeon fixed this back in '89). I do have a knot that is protruding over my left ear area. It feels the size of a pea and the bad thing is that I can't reach the doctor who performed this surgery. I must say that one of the symptoms I have is complete numbness on the left side of my face and feel that this could be responsible. I have numbness from my left side of forehead down to my collarbone almost. It does stay that way and sometimes, I feel like my face is being pulled downward toward my chin and am worried @ having mini-stroke or TIA's. I am only 46, but it could happen.
The second surgery that worries me, because ALL of this started after this particular surgery. It was an ACD & F spinal diskectomy of my C5-C6 and they did it on the left side since I am a professional vocalist. (Thank God, I still have my voice, but could do w/out this PAIN) I was doing well from this surgery, until around the 3rd month following it. My right arm Bi-cep would ache and burn. I went to the NS that performed the surgery and he even said that it was my C5. How is that possible, unless there is a problem, since he did surgery on it and I went to see him 9 out of 11 months, the first year, but he kept saying that he couldn't see a problem....Yeah,  but I felt it.
After suffering with what I thought was pain for that first year, I went in to see a Pain Management doc and he recommended that I receive a series of (3) nerve blocks. He called them Epidural Steriod Injections. I did fine for the first two, which were given in my Cervical, but when he done the last one, he hit something that made me jump so hard on that table. He was shook up, I could tell. He got right in my face and asked me, "Do you have heavy breathing, are your ears ringing?" I knew something must have been wrong, for my hands and feet were completely numb, like I had just the soles of my shoes on. He kept me over an hour that day and observed me with monitors for blood pressure and heart rate. I noticed them passing outside my door, but they seem concerned that something was wrong. IT is. I am still numb and it has been since Dec 26th 2006, when I had that last ESI.
I started having all of the terrible leg pains, but they were gradual, not suddenly. I would feel things happening to me, like one day I was just setting in a chair and it felt like someone had just went by me with a knife and sliced me. I reached over to touch the place and it felt as if, I had really been cut. I did have a blistery bubble,(size of a nickel) come up right where I felt sliced. I then, started to getting pinches, pokes,stabbing or axe in the middle of the back(between the scapula) and my hair would feel like it had been pulled and was so sore on my scalp.Now, I must admit that I did get into a car accident, but was the passenger. The car went over a boulder in the road and my head went into the roof...hard. We succeeded to go to our destination, but when we arrived, my head hurt too bad to have wanted to stay and we were at a casino. At that time, I wouldn't have left, unless there was a good reason and my head hurt really bad. I don't even gamble, at all, for these days I do well to get up and walk outside and sit on my back porch.
I did pull a tick off of me too, back 3 yrs. ago and thought it could be Lyme, but I have been tested twice for it and it was negative, but then again, I live in a small town and feel I haven't been fully tested for that disease. I heard a person has to go see a specialist in that field or it is hard to get dx'd. So, I have battled trying to find a specialist in that field, to get tested again to make sure. I sure don't want to be dx with Lyme(or Lupus), but since my symptoms cover almost every ONE, of the symptoms on the list, I think it is still a possibility. I don't understand why no one can give me an idea of what this is?
There is a lot more that I could say, but this story, I am sure most people have probably heard off the net. I look up my symptoms a lot, for I can't seem to go much or do many things. So, I pray that u could tell me which one of these could make a person's skin burn, ache deeply, cramp in every muscle of ur body, be paralysed on the whole left side of the body(even called 911, bc I thought I was having a stroke), my brain feels like it swells. This is everyday and if, I have a good day, I am limited because I will pay for it another week, but I am a go getter and someone who loves to work and can't.
Oh, I must tell u that where I got hit on the head, I get knots there and on the side of my temples.(mostly left-but then again, that is where I had that bone spur removed from the jaw surgery, back in '89) I am lost and desperately need to get a dx, to know how to find my way back to me....and THIS is not just Fibro...I can tell u that much.
I need to tell u that I am a complex case and have seen so many doctors for this, but have gotten no where. I have been dx'd with DDD of cervical, Lumbar & hip/joint, Spondylosis, Fibro(all 18 out of 18 tender points), VA(Venous Anomally-do they suppose to hurt?MINE DOES), CM(Chiari Malformation). There are more, but the aren't related to skin erruptions, boils, blisters(on face),soreness that takes my whole body over like worse than being run over by a truck. My left arm aches and hurts all the time and I am afraid it could be heart related and it is bad when it take 3-6 months to get an appointment to see someone to help u. Thanks.:))<3 Karen
                                                                                                                                                                                          
I run accross this picture...and remembered how good I felt here. It was a wonderful time, in my life...to where I could do almost anything that I wanted.
Now, I don't even look anything like that  anymore...and I sure can't move like I once did...not anymore...not to me.:((
I even had my own nails here, not some put-on ones, so the nubs won't show. Ever since, they became numb and the nails began to cracking and peeling...I have had to get nails put-on, but I am still hopeful that things will go back to normal. It is only going to take time.:P
My hands  and feet have been numb, since i got hit by the nerve block back in '06. Ever since, I had my surgery, things have been really bad...and what the bad news is...IT is getting worse.
Not only do I have the numbness...I have a plethura of symptoms that could fill a wastebasket. I really do have a reason to be drepressed, but I keep trying to find me way out of this hole....and one day, I will.:)

The day, that "wet tap" got me...:(( ...my life cmpletely changed. The procedure was called an Epidural Steroid Injection and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I want to tell others that it is NOT the way to go. Don't take the chance of losing the feeling anywhere or having this horrific pain, (Neuropathy)...like I do, in my whole body, to be able to grab u.
If only I had listened and not went that day, but we can't go backward...unfortunately....but, we can try to make each day...as good as a day, as we can have. We have to have FAITH...that there is a better day waiting for us...and guess what, there is.:D
God Bless always.:))<3 Karen










Pain is a humbling experience.Here we vent our frustations to therapeutically deal with our situation. Some of us deal with so much pain that we feel down and depressed from it, but if we would focus our minds on The Lord, He will help us through our days.:)))<3 K